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Rossi ([personal profile] deathpixie) wrote2002-02-04 05:52 pm

On an even keel

Feeling neither overly angsty, nor overly happy, which is a welcome, really, after the rollercoaster ride my emotions have been on lately. A nice, neutral feeling - work was okay, neither great nor horrible (that's saved for Wednesday), BRM's in a good enough mood to have communication with for a change, and nothing has occurred to me with enough force to be worthy of mention. Which all makes for a rather dull LJ post, which will be a relief for my regular readers. *grins*

There are plans afoot for a movie tomorrow night with Julie and Leanne, and my tai chi class starts on Wednesday. And I've got another swim planned for tomorrow morning - Tuesdays and Thursdays will work nicely, I think. Pete also told me to request my leave without pay for the trip soon so it gets approved, which I'll sort out tomorrow - I have to ask for a day off for GASP, any way. And sort out my actual leave amounts - Di has stuffed things up, since there's only 14 days rec leave on my pay slip. So, not a lot to talk about, really.

There are signs, small but hopeful ones, that the general population is starting to realise how draconian the current immigration policies are. More and more politicians are speaking out against the detention centres, often contrary to the policy of their party leaders, and more and more people are turning out at protests and meetings. And the government has gone so far as to release unaccompanied children and some families from the camps. A recognition that maybe a detention camp surrounded by razor wire in the middle of the desert isn't the best place for children. Think of the camp where the Taliban prisoners are being held, and you're not far off Australia's detention centres for "illegal immigrants" (otherwise known as refugees).

It's not a solution, but a sign, of sorts.

This whole business - and the re-election of The Gnome on a racist platform - has really made me lose my sense of pride in being Australian. As a nation we're not hugely patriotic - there's not much tendency to wave flags or chant slogans unless it's at a sporting event of some kind - but we're proud of being Aussie. We may put ourselves down and belittle our achievements, but should someone else do the same, we'll hit them like a tonne of bricks. So seeing my beloved country show its ugliest side, and revel in it, has left me wondering why I love it so much in the first place. Not a good feeling, for someone who becomes Uber-Aussie in the presence of foreigners.
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Er, I agree with you, but ...

[personal profile] andraste 2002-02-04 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
... I think comparing our detention centres to the prison the US are using for the Taliban is a *little* bit of overkill. Although the refugees are treated apallingly, they're not kept in wire cages like dogs and most of them don't seem to be sedated and tied up. Both situations sicken me, but I think that comparing one to the other trivialises both in different ways. On the one hand, the Australian assylum seekers are care for better - although by no means well. On the other, at least the Taliban fighters do need to be locked up, although I'm disgusted that the US is treating them like animals while they do so.

[identity profile] elidyce.livejournal.com 2002-02-04 02:25 am (UTC)(link)

I'm with you.

My patriotic fervour... never particularly fervent... has cooled noticeably lately. I'm getting to the point where I can't even watch the news, because I have too many nightmares. :( I just let mum and Dia tell me the most important parts.

I am *ashamed* of my country for the first time. I've been mad at it, embarrassed by it, and slightly fond of it, but never ashamed of it before. It's not a pleasant feeling. Not only is the Evil Gnome kissing up like mad to President Bush - who is, no offense intended to the Americans hereabouts, a COMPLETE LOONY - but he's happily perpetrating the same ignorance and racism right here at home. It's wrong, and I hate it.

At least people are starting to realize it, though. It restores some of my faith in humanity to see people pulling back, and saying hey, whoa, that's going too far. I just wish more people thought that way.

*hugs Rossi* It'll get better. It has to...

[identity profile] nute.livejournal.com 2002-02-04 06:12 am (UTC)(link)
So seeing my beloved country show its ugliest side, and revel in it, has left me wondering why I love it so much in the first place. Not a good feeling, for someone who becomes Uber-Aussie in the presence of foreigners.

So now you have an idea of how I've felt for the past year or so.

~M.

Re: Er, I agree with you, but ...

[identity profile] hex-16.livejournal.com 2002-02-04 08:42 am (UTC)(link)
The Taliban prisoners are not tied up and sedated in their cells. That was only while they getting off the plane for in-processing. Some of them were pretty rowdy.

Remember: A picture is worth 1000 words, but it doesn't tell the whole story.

--Hex
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Re: Er, I agree with you, but ...

[personal profile] andraste 2002-02-04 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Ack. I do know that - the sentence is meant to read "sedated and tied up or kept in their cells" meaning that they were sedated and tied up while in transit. I went back to fix a typo and half the line got lost somehow. Blame the late night posting.

[identity profile] quixotic-sense.livejournal.com 2002-02-05 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
Take heart: there is a possibility, however small, that John Howard might drown during his visit to Jakarta. ^_~
andraste: The reason half the internet imagines me as Patrick Stewart. (Default)

Re: Er, I agree with you, but ...

[personal profile] andraste 2002-02-05 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)
More of an impression I got, really - I was watching one of the ABC's news bites with my headphones on, and for a moment I couldn't tell if the place shown was Woomera or that place in Cuba I can't pronounce. Outwardly, the similarity is there.

Sadly, you're absolutely right on that score. I have this terrible desire to hit John Howard and George W. with a Big Stick until they listen to reason.

(Anonymous) 2002-02-08 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
*grins at Yasmin* It wouldn't be the first Australian PM.

-Acetal