Consider me boggled.

[deathpixie]

Okay, watching the SBS international news, and the Katrina aftermath footage. Particularly the stuff about people dying of dehydration and heatstroke in the streets. Can I just say one thing?

What the fuck is the government doing in terms of disaster relief? Bloody hell, after the tsunamis in December there was relief on its way within 24 hours. It's been three bloody days!

And just why aren't they evacuating people from the place and getting them to places they can get help? Oh, there's buses going out, but when you have thousands of people to move, you need more than 70 Greyhounds, people.

You see this stuff in Third World countries. You certainly don't expect it in the jewel of developed nations.

Disclaimer: I'm not aiming this at the American people as a whole, or even the various aid relief organisations like the Red Cross, although I didn't see much in the way of footage there. It's pretty much aimed at thhe government, whose job it is to deal with this sort of thing. Ye gods, Bush doesn't have the slightest clue, does he?

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[deathpixie]

*blinks* Clash of cultures again, I think. If this was happening here (and hell, it has happened here, like back in the 1970s when Darwin was pretty much destroyed by Cyclone Tracey), it'd be the government's responsibility to provide aid and assistance. Non-profit organisations like the Red Cross also get involved, but disaster-relief funding in Australia comes from federal and state governments. It's considered part of the whole providing infrastructure thing, same as providing a police force and State Emergency Services.

Considering the water is contaminated by oil, battery acid, sewerage and dead bodies, both human and animal, I think people are going to have to do a hell of a lot more than boil it. Like Amanda said, air drops of food, water and medicine at the very least, if evacuation is so impossible.

[nute.livejournal.com]

Nope. Elementary physics. Boiling water with a condensation still purifies it from damn near everything. Ah, the things you learn being raised in the wilderness around borderline wacko survivalists...

The government HAS passed the disaster relief funding. I really can't see how they're failing in their job here. Get food and medicine to them, true. It's going to where they've evacuated people to. Like it's supposed to. People who are still in the danger zone don't need food and medicine, they need to get their asses OUT of there to where the food and medicine is.

[deathpixie]

Well, that pretty much proves that point - not everyone has the benefit of your experience Nute, and obviously if I was there I'd be joining the queues of apparently clueless people looking for a clean water source instead of boiling the other.

Considering the area is prone to hurricanes and there was ample warning of Katrina's advance, plus the whole 'we didn't know the levees were going to break in a category 4 storm' pissweak excuse, the fact funding has only been passed today (according to the news sites), I'm finding that unacceptably slow. Like I said in the original post, disaster aid was on it's way to the areas hit by the tsunami in December within 24 hours. The government's had four days, and this isn't a third world country like most of those in the tsunami-affected area.

Perhaps I'm being overly critical and not understanding how things work in the States, but it just seems to me a complete ballsup. And as much as comparisons shouldn't be made, I can't help comparing what I'm seeing now to what I saw of relief after the tsunamis, and there's so much difference. Then again, a lot of the people affected by the tsunamis weren't shooting at aid helicopters. *wry*

[nute.livejournal.com]

Well, that pretty much proves that point - not everyone has the benefit of your experience Nute, and obviously if I was there I'd be joining the queues of apparently clueless people looking for a clean water source instead of boiling the other.

Ain't that the sad truth. How I grew up, learning how to do this stuff was normal and expected. Part of me looks at people on their roofs when there's only forty feet of water to the next house, and the next, and so on out of town - and it doesn't occur to them to swim? Part of me just thinks "Feh. City folk." and shakes my head.

But you're right - people DON'T know how to survive anymore. It's not a part of societal education, people are soft and dependent on modern convenience. Tragic, and no one individual person is to blame, but events like this show that such training from an early age is pretty damn helpful, even if it's never needed.

[deathpixie]

Well, if it was me on the roof, I'd be wondering about those Cajun gators... *grins*

Actually, I think it might be part of the difference between this and the tsunamis - disaster of this scale is almost completely unheard-of to the people in NO. Somewhere like Indonesia, which has earthquakes, floods and tropical storms on a regular basis, the people have learned to adapt to this sort of thing. Goes for the response, too - perhaps planning for dealing with natural disasters like this (evacuation, city design, disaster relief afterwards etc) is something that should become normal. Especially considering the number of hurricanes that have hit the area in the last two years.

And now I'm off to bed. Brain all mushy from writing a finding on a parachutist's death at work today.

[acetal.livejournal.com]

Something just occured to me.

How exactly are people going to boil water considering that all the wood is probably wet? Sodden, in fact. Those people who are smokers probably have lighters, and if they're lucky they'll find some dry paper somewhere.

For that matter, how're they going to make a distillation still? In the old days they might've used a kettle and a length of hose attached to the spout, but most kettles these days are electric and made of plastic. Unless a lot of people were making moonshine, the only place the equipment they need is probably available is the local high school. Assuming it's still intact.

That'll provide enough clean water for a family if they're lucky and industrious.

Remind me again how many people there are in New Orleans?

This is exactly why you see people looting milk. Drinkable liquid in a sealed container? Teh yay. Personally, I have no problem with people looting abandoned stores for food, liquid and clothing under those circumstances. Especially since they'll just go to waste otherwise. I do have a problem with people stealing items which aren't necessary for survival, taking things from people by force or intimidation, or if the owner is standing right there (in which case negotiation is the order of the day).

[trishalynn.livejournal.com]

I know how to make a condensation still, somewhat. At least I know the technique and what that doesn't filter out, some drops of bleach would.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_bounce_/]

People who are still in the danger zone don't need food and medicine, they need to get their asses OUT of there to where the food and medicine is.

Yeah, but if you want to keep them healthy until you can get them out of there, then they *need* food, CLEAN water and medicine. Say you're an insuline dependant diabetic, say you're on heavy duty anti depressants, or shit, can't even find anticeptic cream, what are you supposed to do when they run out? Getting people out of the city is clearly taking some time. Keeping the people that are still in the city healthy while you get them out seems to be pretty fucking important because you'll have even more problems on your hands after if you don't.

[nute.livejournal.com]

Which would be easy to do, except that the anarchists with the guns have cut off supplies, or indiscriminate looters took everything they could grab. And the rest of the populace there are allowing themselves to be victims. I mean, the atrocities happening in the shelters themselves, and everyone LET IT HAPPEN. It's chaos, it's people discarding the rules of society because things have gotten difficult. And THAT is what disgusts me most about the whole thing.